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Part 1: Kathy Reagan Young - MS patient advocate, blogger, and podcaster. Founder and CEO of Patients Getting Paid & FUMS.

Part 2: Joe Stuckey, MS, CRC - Rehabilitation Counselor, University of Washington Medical Center

Part 3: Tracy Tyson Miller, Esq. - Social Security Disability Attorney


Upon completion of this course, participants will be able to:

  • Name at least two symptoms that are predictive of poor vocational performance or leaving the workplace.

  • Describe recommendations for when and how to disclose a diagnosis of multiple sclerosis to an employer.

  • Identify at least one strategy for supporting a patient who is applying for social security disability or long-term disability.

Course Summary

What this course is all about

Only 20% of persons with multiple sclerosis are still employed after 10 years following diagnosis. In a 2015 paper entitled "Multiple sclerosis, etiology symptoms, incidence, and prevalence and implications for community living and employment," the researchers pointed to several reasons for the dramatic decrease in employment.

Some are obvious reasons - symptoms of the disease such as cognitive change, fatigue, or mobility challenge directly impact vocational performance.

However, many individuals with MS cite more subtle and difficult workplace barriers as reasons for leaving their jobs. Some of these include bias or outright prejudice on the part of management or coworkers, a lack of knowledge or access to workplace accommodations, or a lack of flexibility in accommodating changing MS symptoms and medical appointments. This three-part podcast course will help you guide your patients through a tricky maze of employment issues - from the time they are diagnosed with MS to deciding to leave the workforce.

In the first part, we'll look at ways to retrain or obtain a job that is flexible and can accommodate your patient's problems - as well as how to assist your patients through their fear of trying something new.

In part two, we'll discuss diagnosis disclosure in the workplace, as well as when and how to request accommodations with an MS specialty vocational counselor.

In part three, we'll go over applying for SSDI disability benefits with a lawyer. She will walk you through the process as well as how to assist your patients in planning for an application and appeals procedure. She also explains how to help your patients obtain letters of support or prepare their medical records for evaluation.

This course will help you become more knowledgeable about the employment challenges that your patients with MS face, as well as give you some practical tools to assist them through these tough transitions.


MS patient advocate, blogger, and podcaster. Founder and CEO of Patients Getting Paid & FUMS. Kathy Reagan Young

Kathy Reagan Young was diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis (MS) in 2008 when she was a stay-at-home mom with 2 little girls. The doctor told her she shouldn't return to work because stress is so bad for MS. Kathy knew this doctor had never stayed home with small children because THAT was stress. When her youngest was in school full time, she did go back to work - doing marketing for a Physical Therapy company but, truth be told, within a couple of years, the stress did get to be too much and she wasn't able to continue in that role. She went home and worked on learning how to take care of herself AND generate an income working from anywhere. Once she realized she had accomplished that - she knew she had an obligation to share this knowledge with other people with chronic illness, and her membership community, Patients Getting Paid, was born.

Rehabilitation Counselor University of Washington Medical Center Joe Stuckey, MS, CRC

Joe Stuckey is a nationally certified rehabilitation counselor. He is in his 25th year of providing counseling and vocational rehabilitation services to patients and families at the University of Washington Medical Center in Seattle, Washington. Joe provides clinical inpatient and outpatient services in the Department of Rehabilitation Medicine and the UW Medicine Multiple Sclerosis Center. Services focus on development of strategies to achieve employment, educational and life activity goals while adjusting to changes in health. As a member of the multidisciplinary medical team, Joe meets with individuals and families to evaluate strengths and functional limitations, share information and resources, and develop patient-centered plans to foster greater work-life-health balance. Support with health information disclosure, job changes, development of employment supports, ADA job accommodations, medical leave, disability benefit planning and decision making about when to exit work are key areas in his work with people living with MS.

Social Security Disability Attorney Tracy Tyson Miller

Tracy Tyson Miller graduated from the University of South Florida in 1989 with a B.A. in Political Science. She then attended the University of Florida College of Law from 1989 - 1992, when she received her law degree. She was admitted to the Florida Bar in November 1992. Ms. Miller began practicing in the Social Security field in 1995 and has since limited her practice to disability claims before the Social Security Administration. She has handled over 1000 claims at the administrative level and is currently handling appeals at the Appeals Council and Federal level. Ms. Miller is a member of the Jacksonville Bar Association and is the former President of the Jacksonville Women Lawyers' Association. She was Chairperson of the Jacksonville Bar Association's Social Security Committee from 2002 - 2005. She is a member of the National Organization of Claimant's Representatives, a national group of attorneys and representatives. In 2011 she was elected to the Board of Directors of the National Organization of Social Security Claimants' Representatives and selected as a Florida Super Lawyer and a Florida Legal Elite. Ms. Miller often speaks on Social Security issues to attorneys locally and nationally. She has written articles for the Jacksonville Bar Association and Jacksonville Lawyer magazine.

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Empathie, LLC is approved by the American Psychological Association to sponsor continuing education for psychologists. Empathie, LLC maintains responsibility for this program and its content.

Find Empathy has been approved by NBCC as an Approved Continuing Education Provider, ACEP No. 7257. Programs that do not qualify for NBCC credit are clearly identified. Find Empathy is solely responsible for all aspects of the programs.
Find Empathy, #1817, is approved as an ACE provider to offer social work continuing education by the Association of Social Work Boards (ASWB) Approved Continuing Education (ACE) program. Regulatory boards are the final authority on courses accepted for continuing education credit. ACE provider approval period:
 06/14/2022 – 06/14/2023.   Social workers completing this course receive 2.5 continuing education credit.

How to Take this Course & Criteria to Receive CE Credit

To obtain a certificate of completion for continuing education credits associated with this course, please follow the following steps:

  • ENROLL in this course and create an Empathy account

  • COMPLETE COURSE CONTENT in one of 3 ways:
    • Listen to the corresponding course podcast by streaming it on the webpage, downloading the audio file, or listening to it on your favorite podcast provider.
    • Read the podcast transcript, in its entirety
    • Watch podcast video on YouTube

  • TAKE THE POST-TEST assessment and achieve a passing grade of at least 75%

  • Complete the COURSE EVALUATION

Remember, full attendance is required for all CE activities. This means you will be asked to certify that you listened, watched, or read the entire podcast episode.

Once you have completed the above steps, your course certificate will automatically populate for download and will automatically be sent to the email linked to your account. It can be downloaded immediately and will be available for future download.


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While our educational offerings are primarily in podcast format, we also provide a written transcript for each course. It will be available on the course landing page and available for download in PDF format.

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You are allotted 3 retries to achieve the acceptable 75% passing grade.

Additional Information

This course is intended for psychologists and social workers.
It is also appropriate for mental health counselors and therapists.
The instructional level is at the introductory and intermediate level.

The primary format of the course is podcast; a non-interactive distance-learning recorded audio continuing education course.

It is available via all major podcast providers including, but not limited to Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, and more. You can also listen to the podcast via the player on our website or download it for free to your favorite digital device.

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Help your patients navigate vocational challenges

If you work with people that have medical diagnoses this course is for you!